Ere the sun goes down. Can I suggest NOT sending the youth out hunting all women? Im grateful for it. Crowd-sourcing request. The sacrament provides an opportunity for Church members to ponder and remember with gratitude the life, ministry, and Atonement of the Son of God. I recommend it highly: This! (http://dandelionmama.wordpress.com/2012/05/08/this-this-is-what-i-believe/). This has been a big concern for me, as there are many women in the ward who are very sensitive to the Perfect Mother talks, and I didnt want to heap on to their burdens. She discusses the divinity of motherhood and how every woman can become a mother in the world around her. Ere the sun goes down, Well, you dear women, I say thanks to you. Nice post Mark, I think we do need to be careful about how we say some of the things we do in church, and elsewhere. "The ordinance of the sacrament," taught then Elder Dallin H. 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Elder Holland talks about the central role motherhood plays in the gospel of Jesus Christ and gives many principles of comfort and courage for mothers who may be struggling. Which isnt necessarily a bad thing. Most of us brought up to beleive that the man of the home was were it was at. It was an emotional rollercoaster of raised hopes and disappointments. Maybe. Theyre all very good, and not being critical, but Hallmark w/ scripture would seem to be one way to describe the style of Pres. My bishop knows where its at, and we always get Dove bars, Milk for those of unrefined taste and Dark for the rest of us. In addition, there are doctrinal and scriptural classes for . Every week they strive to prepare for that sacred ordinance with a broken heart and a contrite spirit (see 3Nephi 9:20). Make sure you understand where that line is. Its never the men. Well, count me among the lucky ones who are speaking this coming Sunday. Yes. I dont think it would occur to anyone to give a man a plant for Fathers Day *, but its very common to give women plants for Mothers Day. Is this our Sharon Haynie from DN branch? The good talks that I have heard tend toaddressthe details ofan individual womans life, in all its messiness and particularity. He invites mothers to count the debits and credits in your role as a mother. President Hinckley then goes through a number of important gospel teachings mothers should focus on. There is a *big* difference a HUGE difference between being *foreordained* to something and actually **BEING** something, as is made very clear in the temple. By That was the job of the family, and for single sisters, the home teacher. Or any talk. My mom still to this day says it was the best Mothers Day talk ever. A small gift for Mothers Day is fine, but if you give chocolate to a diabetic or a piece of pie to someone with gluten intolerance, what have you given? Thats the nicest thing anyone has ever said to me! It was so honest and hopeful all at once. Theres got to be a way to show a little appreciation and recognize their importance and significance without it being guilt-inducing. More than at any time in the history of the world, we need mothers who know. We all do., The relationship between mothers and daughters is at the heart of this talk from Elder Ballard. XD. The best Mothers Day talk Ive ever heard was an illustration of this principle. They can eat whatever they want, in fact. I have some ideas of speaker topics but I thought I would start a thread for suggestions of topics, scriptures, conference talks, etc that would help make a great Sacrament Meeting that honors Motherhood while also keeping a focus on Christ. Especially since whoever asked him to speak didnt learn their lesson and he said the exact same talk a year later. As the son of a mother who was destroyed every Mothers Day, and seeing many similar experiences here, I plan to stick to the Christ-centric meeting next year. Mark, very good advice IMO. My own plan of attack: 1) lay some knowledge on people (see above), 2) talk about our own mothers and that they are real people who faced real struggles, 3) the Plan of Happiness (is that what were calling it now?) This ordinance is an essential part of worship and spiritual development. Ours, like most, has its strengths and its weaknesses. My husband told me to stop focusing on myself and think about who mothered me instead. Can they not celebrate their own mothers? Dont twist the knife; let them come to you if they want it. Flowers were also given to anyone who wanted to wear one in honour of their mothers. You might drift over to what has been considered the rebuttal of Mothers Who Know given at the next conference session by Elder Ballard. How cool someone reading my rambling! The music . At a certain point, their best has to be enough. It hurts. Ere the sun goes down. Yes, the rhetoric has calmed down, but is certainly still present. Really? Partaking of the sacrament is a witness to God that the remembrance of His Son will extend beyond the short time of that sacred ordinance. On Sunday Morning my sister and I drove almost 2 hours each way to go visit my maternal grandmothers grave. While it addresses questions about how to raise a girl, the talk also discusses the nobility of fatherhood, the influence fathers have on children, how to cherish your wife, and why virtue is so important. Maybe, eventually, I will heal and that will change. 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The talks are mostly bearable (though no picnic), but the worst is when the youth would spread out in search of women who were not holding whatever flower or chocolate. Steve P. wont be the only one this Mothers Day asked to speak on that controversial talk, its still in heavy circulation in wards. My wife spoke on Mothers Day (which I originally thought was a bad choice, because she herself appears to the outside world to be the perfect mother) about her own mother and some of the simple things her mother had done for her that made a big difference in her life and how grateful she was. The other auxiliaries are free to do something, its just the bishopric that doesnt. I am glad you had a good father, but honestly, that attitude is what keeps me away. You can guess how well that went over. Not an official website of the The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. At the end theyll get a rose with some message tied onto the stem with ribbon about how Jesus loves all women. Now, I detest it. I do look forward to handing the kids over to my husband for the day, but Ill take a pass on sacrament meeting. Thank you. More importantly, what impact does this conscious attempt to devalue motherhood within our community have on the future of the family? Speechless. Those were the kinds of talks I gave, and thats what I would rather listen to. I haven't a clue about how to interact at times. Ive lived in numerous family wards, and Ive never gotten as much as a crumb for Fathers Day, at least not from church. It is as if we cannot celebrate anything because if we focus on single day to celebrate one person then we have decimated everyone else. That said, I cant say I recall ever hearing a bad Mothers Day talk. I don't understand it, but it is your logic. Im sorry too for the harshness In my expression in a previous thread regarding your views of sacrament meeting. Integrate how Jesus takes care of his mother's future well being while hanging on the cross with the scripture John 19:26-27. Since my husband gets to give As for me, I will be sitting this Mothers day out. She now works full time as a marketing and product manager, writer, and editor. My own father would probably appreciate a plant, but fortunately he enjoys cookies too. Some women think that you dont talk enough about mothers while other people think you talk too much about them. This past Mother's Day we arrived late to sacrament meeting due to a cobbling mishap in the morning. Talking to other grownups while nice doesnt belong in 3rd hour. It seemed to strike just the right tone. (Sorry to barge in madhousewife). We were each handed full size chocolate bars that had been wrapped at the end of Sac Mtng. Nothanks to my back problems got to fly non-stop from Atlanta to Seattle. And, as your mother, I will miss the delicious pie during a relaxing third hour of church. It is also a reminder that through His mercy and grace, all people will be resurrected and given the opportunity for eternal life with God. Maybe Ill get a pizza and tell the kids to cook it for breakfast when Sunday morning comes. Have a young child, a teenager, husband and elderly father take you through the different phases of motherhood in their own point of view. If you personally need one, thats fine, but not everyone needs a model for something that is experienced differently by everyone. It was a one day break from the 40 day Lent cycle to give a feast in honor of Mom with cakes and flowers and her grown children visiting from afar. Id also like a break from a poem in the EFMormons which says that no painting, no book, no song penned by a mother could be as great as a worSocrates by their children in the future, so spending your time raising the next generation is the greatest thing you can do. I would also love all quotes, conf talks, songs be from women to reinforce the value/insight/talent women have. Alma 56:47-48. Mark did as well in his postminus the saccharine and accent. For example, look at how Mothers Day and Mothering Day each have a religious as well as a secular component to them, and have even merged: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother's_Day, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday. Thats the last thing a mother needs, responsibility for yet another living thing. lol! Thank you. It was given by one of my high school friends. especially when there are clear re-phrasings and clarifications. I dont see why having a Tiger Mom would be necessarily any more or less traumatizing than having a Don Draper Mom. For years the tradition in my ward was a simple gift for all sisters 18 and older. Products; . Is it apeople incapable of focusing on the joy of others? And that concludes the story of how NewlyHousewife learned not to attend church on Mothers Day. Steve P, me) before deciding on these speakers. Thank you for being the kind of people you are and doing the things you do. 1 Dead, 1 Injured in Shooting During LDS Sacrament Meeting in Nevada. Primary kids sang Im so glad when Mommy comes home refreshing change. Yes! Ere the sun goes down: Love for mothers is good, but sometimes there is a fine, fine line between love and dysfunction. This ordinance is an essential part of worship and spiritual development. She talked about how when she was single she was very shallow, only cared about clothes and makeup and boys, didnt prepare herself spiritually, didnt have much of a testimony, and then upon marrying found herself extremely immature and woefully unprepared to be a spiritual leader in her home. There are diabetic men, arent there? But alas, Mother's Day 11 years ago will forever be known as the day I landed face down on the floor of the chapel, on top of my 3-year-old, in the middle of sacrament meeting, with my skirt flung over my head. Oh, we also get candy bars with the flowers, music in sacrament and the 3rd hour social time. And the Uchtdorf talk on grace from last conference and his talk on the flowers might be good ones. If you take one thing away from this not-so-scientific survey, it is, when in doubt, go with chocolate. Like many others, my wife and her mother have both always struggled with hearing sacrament meeting talks on Mothers Day. Mothers Day was pure torture and the only time I ever serious entertain thoughts of staying home. As far as Jesus is concerned, he was sinless so is able to stand as an ideal. I have not attending other churches that have mothers day services aimed at mothers. I know some women get upset because they arent mothers, but it doesnt bother me. Classic! I dont remember all 18 things, but two of them stuck with me, even 15 years later. I too am irritated by mother-worshipping in MD talks, but at the same time, I think many Mormon women identify so strongly with being a mother and so many have sacrificed just about everything to focus on that specific role, that they really appreciate a little validation, a little boost of confidence that what theyre doing is significant and has meaning. (just kidding). Have a variety of ages speak on ideas or what they've done to help their mothers and ways they've stayed close to their mothers. To the light the lost ones leading, "I am a sociopathic perverted mess emotionally and mentally thanks to the influence of my insane codependent mother.'". Now they never had fought, yet they did not fear death; and they did think more upon the liberty of their fathers than they did upon their . Not all women can become real mothers. And yeah, audience is important. That cost a war pension. Men tended to speak about angel mothers who bore no resemblance to mine. For the past two years, I have been passed over because other women tell the youth passing out the gift, that they need to take one for so-and-so, shes ill today,without looking for women in the room that havent received one yet. The primaries (100 of them? It very gently re-addressed several of the points that were flying in the newspapers and throughout the church in the Mothers Who Know backlash. I think mixing it up, at least every other year, from Mother I Love You, is nice as a mom. Even men who are on diets. Id really love to see the fathers acknowledged on Fathers Day. I must let my voice be heard, What if you brought in padded RS chairs for the YW & PRI workers, including Nursery sisters, so that they can feel a little comfort on that Sunday? The third tells of a mother who helped her daughter with a disability at a temple dedication. Check out our selection of LDS church programs for baptisms, church activities, and sacrament meetings. Variations included a verse for when mommy comes home stoned, with descriptions of bratty violent Mormon children and a terrible version only whispered with stifled giggles including titillating, lolita overtones. Pertaining to gifts: #53 Im against handing out plants on Mothers Day. So, I am assigned to give a talk next week. It demands that the single day of the year that Mother's are celebrated to a holiday that is solely for adult females and no one else. Maybe the Hallmark channel should use some of his conference clips as fillers when movies end early. It defines our very identity, our divine stature and nature, and the unique traits our Father gave us.. His topic? Our old ward in NY would take the funds normally used to purchase flowers, chocolate, etc. Next, it is always very specific so as to not offend anyone. He gets points for effort and most humorous and memorable! Excuse everyone after Sacrament meeting to spend the time with their mothers. And, even worse, we are also cutting them off from the grace and redemption that Jesus offers. There are wrongs that need redressing How about honoring our mothers by not just focusing on what they do or have done for us (guilt trip for those that feel they never do enough) but focus on ways the members can help their mothers throughout each stage of their life. My mother was an ideal, and she is schizophrenic, couldnt cook water without burning the pan, never cleaned a thing in the house while we were children, had rebellious to some degree or another, etc. Thats why youve been my cyber-crush for years. It might be that it was a holiday originally conceived by the US Socialist Party and propagated by the Soviets. Please use the comments to make your own contributions. JUST kidding. Last year we did two songs for the Mother's Day sacrament meeting, and they turned out beautifully, so I thought I would share them with you. This talk teaches us how rearing up children in righteousness can help keep them safe in an increasingly wicked world and how what happens in the home can benefit communities and nations. 3. Pres Hinckley and apparently Mark has it right. Yesterday I enjoyed another Mother's Day sacrament meeting, typical with its children's songs, a talk from a young man about how wonderful mothers are, a talk from a sister about how wonderful women are, and a tearful talk from a brother about all the incredible mothers in his life. I was supposed to talk two weeks ago on the purpose of the Sacrament but ended up in surgery instead, and upon returning to church last Sunday was asked to reschedule. When we speak of mothers as people who are incapable of gross sin, they know we are lying. I could brave baby showers and birth announcements just fine, but Mother's Day cut me to the core. So that no woman felt left out. #109 Rayloved the roller coaster quote on motherhood. My best friend (unmarried, childless at 51) has been asked to speak. Mother's Day: My talk by Kaimi Wenger May 5, 2009 23 Comments It's hard to strike the right balance, between affirming Moms who really need to be told that they made a good decision; and letting others (especially women) know that they're okay, too. We are an outlandishly weird, mixed up bunch of folk. Can anyone say overdone? (did I mention he and his wife were not parents yet?). I know that traditionally it has been men and children who honor mothers. Deep gratitde is owed to our Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ for the Atonement which allows us each to recover from any missteps, no matter how far off the path one may stray. Heres my updated version: Im so glad when Daddy comes home, Just sharing those times with women in the scriptures and what we can learn from them - and NOT have a focus on mothers. Alece 100 it is a bit rich for you to interpret that your comment and that quote by Lewis mean the same thing. One thing I would add is that somehow we need to stop telling LDS women that they need to do everything in 6 days and 90% income with smiles on their faces and do it better than their non-LDS peers. I have heard good talks and bad talks, and really dislike the sacralizing of the universal and perfectly average activity of mothering. Gag. Many times, it seems bishoprics want to put women on a pedestal for a day, while trying not to offend anyone. Diabetic others, for example. I have to go home right after Sacrament meeting, because the Sisters all bring their flowers with them to the other meetings. It would just be nice to complete our idealism with a good dose of reality. We've gathered five inspiring gifts for Latter-day Saint women to help them feel cherished and celebrated. You can still give the women the day off. I think Emma and Naomi are very neglected women in our teachings (understatement considering the general neglect). There are sins that need confessing; What do you think should be handed out for Mothers Day? I guess plants are pretty and mothers are pretty. I get really tired of hearing the stripling warrior passages on Mother's Day. (Although I love the song idea for the Primary #65) Marys life is always appropriate, Lucy Mack Smith, Hannah & Samuel, etc. The bad ones tend to deal withthe big generalities, praisingmotherhood without even pausing to define whether we are speaking of women who have given birth, or womanhood in general. The Primary president asked him, as Chorister, to write a new song for the kids to sing in sacrament meeting on Mother's Day. at all.. I must speak the loving word, Im even okay when they hand out plants. I have to say that I was almost offended that there would be an assumption that FD would be a piece of cake. I think she says that just because she is my mom. I spoke one Mothers Day about Eve and Mary, and thought it was a good talk and well-received. I should clarify that my mother (and father) are wonderful and I have no complaints. Have all the talks be by women. She never got her kids back and they never forgave her, and she died of some incurable stress induced disease. What does it mean when we want to remove motherhood from Mother's Day? But arent mothers also sweet, like cookies? My kids are too old for primary and dont go to church anyway (and my mother died when my youngest was 2 yrs old), so I have no reason to go and hear all about how perfect someone else is, or that I should have been perfect, or the lie that all of us mothers are perfect. (Just what mothers need on an already stressful day . Home & Family. I cant quite relate that to Motherhood but maybe he will. This is the same reason we do not have missionary farewells any longer. Watching the Primary children singing to their mothers in Sacrament meeting was the hardest. It was part of the talk. Actually..mother's day should be everyday. His explanation was not to offend any sister. Until I see a longer lasting cease fire, Im staying home MD (with my mother and daughters). Not until the 1600s did people start associating the holiday with their own actual mothers (Mothering Day in the UK). Well we could have it like the Sacrament Meetings for Father's Day and have it be your usual every Sunday meeting and not even talk about women or mothers. . She only did half the things a good mother would have done. I would expect him to give a talk like that because he is so utterly black and white in his thinking and he never heard a strict utterance over the pulpit that he did not love. Not necessarily mothersjust women. We got a response from172 females and 51 males. We are confabbing about how to turn the tables on Hallmark. With that in mind, there are great ideas in this discussion thread of ways to do exactly that. You can still give the women the day off. They cannot eat it, and in fact just having the stuff around is a serious temptation to do so. Mother's Day became the hardest day of the year for me. It hasnt yet. Tracy M posted an amazing video that deals with the general concept of this post in a really insightful way. It was the first Mothers Day since she died. We already talk about the topic, motherhood, every Sunday. When her dad found out that there was a whole lottashakin goin on without him, he summarily divorced his adulterous wife and took the children to live with him. And dont even get me started on the Are We Not All Mothers tripe. Young Latter-day Saint priesthood . But her mother held a yardstick, and if her daughter played the wrong key, her mother smacked her across the back ofher hands, thus providing sufficient negative reinforcement to motivate her to do it right the next time through. I loved it! Then she spoke with conviction about the grace of Godthe grace that helped her forgive herself for the serious problems she caused her children that could have been prevented if shed prepared herself, and the grace that helped her achieve later in life the spiritual depth she had lacked when her children were young. Just to be clear - I meant 'written/given' by women (aka musical number "O My Father" written by Eliza R Snow, conf talk by Reeve/Oscarson/Okazaki). It was perhaps the best talk I gave as a bishop. don't get me wrong, I'm not bragging. I do think a lot of Mormon women enjoy talks that validate their efforts at motherhood, and I think some of these talks get interpreted as angel mother talks when theyre really not. I could send you a PDF of the sheet music, but it's probably too late now for your choir and Primary to prepare in time for Mother's Day. Any Advice? Nice meeting. Speaking for myself, I think Fathers Day is much easier. So no one is left out. Although I like the idea of them as well! Might spark some interesting conversations. Some were difficult for metotell without choking up. Why in the church is there such a strong, almost secular aversion to motherhood? One of my talks I focused on Moses and the 5 women at the beginning of his life and the different roles they played: Shiphrah & Puah, the midwives who saved his and countless other Hebrew boys lives, Jochebed his birthmother and what it must have taken to put him in the basket and shut the lid (shes a stronger woman than I am! Dont take us out of Primary to go eat Treats! I have seen women leave the meeting in tears, and I know others who have learned, through sad experience, that it is best for them to take a break from church on Mothers Day. Evry cry of pity heeding, I have been avoiding the mother's day sacrament meeting for the last couple of years. My favorite Mothers Day talk was my own talk. Honest! Isnt it reasonable to think that Abe is trying a little too hard, and might be overcompensating for something? For those who disagreed with my thoughts (above) about our needing ideals to aim at in our lives, I fell upon a quote from C.S. Mother's Day Last year I used the last verse of "Teach Me to Walk in the Light" and the song "Teacher/Mother Do You Love Me" for the Mother's Day Primary songs in sacrament meeting. I do think it is easy to understand my point and I appreciate it when others understand my position. Thanks. Sacrament meeting is a time for us to renew our covenants, it is a sacred ordinance. To be fair, diabetics can eat chocolate. Also, try to remember that not all the women in the congregation are mothers - which may be because they can't be. Finally, Elder Holland offers his thanks to mothers around the world. The reminder was given to visit those sisters unable to attend on Mother's Day.
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